October 4, 2006 in ~ 06:41 afternoon · mine husband found a strad copy in the rubbish the other day and also now i"m wondering how old it might be.

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the label says antonius stradivarius cremonensis faciebat anno 1713 do in czechoslovakia. It"s printed and on the side of the brand there"s a lion was standing on a drum and also unerneath it claims legalone or legatone. Does Faciebat anno 1713 mean that it"s do after a version from the year or walk it typical that the violin itself is do in 1713? If no does everyone know exactly how old these violins generally are? you can see the it"s an old instrument, that doesn"t look choose the factory made instruments they have nowadays. By the means is it factory or hand made? thanks for her help!

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bill Pratt

October 4, 2006 at 07:41 afternoon · Well, I know one thing: the is at the very least 13 years old, and also not over 88 year old.

And if it says "Made In" then it most likely is no over 50 year old.


Angelo Eftimeo

October 4, 2006 in ~ 08:12 pm · One asy way to tell that it isn"t very old, is the country of origin. Background books can probably offer you a great time structure of as soon as the nation of Czechoslovakia was developed (My id is early on 1900"s). Additionally the day usually way that the is a replica draft on the 1713 Strad model. Girlfriend can find many modern factory made tools (from both the much east and also Europe) that have actually a model day (Guarneri 1740, etc.) since the instrument is (supposedly) based on that particular classic violin.


Tom Holzman

October 4, 2006 at 08:41 pm · Czechoslovakia was created right after world War ns out the the remains of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. So the violin can not be older than 1919.


Maura Gerety

October 4, 2006 at 09:16 pm · and it split right in fifty percent to form Czech Republic and also Slovakia in 1993, therefore there"s your other temporal bookend.


Raphael Klayman

October 4, 2006 in ~ 09:25 afternoon · "Facibat anno" way "made in the year". That is a very inexpesive replica - presume it"s in good condition. If not, I"m i m really sorry to tell you the it might have nearly no value, and not worth the expense of fixing up. There is no at least some great photos over there isn"t much an ext I can say - except to recall an amusing incident.

Once a lady pertained to a dealer with a comparable instrument. She was encouraged that she had a real Strad. He offered her the unavoidable news, adding "I tried come dissuade friend from make the lengthy trip, and even you, a non-expert, should have actually been tipped turn off by the "made in Czechoslovakia"

"So what?" rejoined the lady, undeterred. "Couldn"t Stradivari have travelled?"

(Of course, that"s whereby the period of Czech. And the English on the lable should have kicked-in!)

D Wright

October 4, 2006 at 10:12 afternoon · "found in the trash"

hmmm...maybe there"s a reason for that. In general, one doesn"t find an excellent violins in the trash.

Kevin Huang

October 4, 2006 in ~ 10:24 afternoon · Czech Strad copies, as soon as cleaned up and also properly adjusted, deserve to be decent instruments. Were this mine violin, I"d probably take it come a luthier so that it can have a bridge and strings placed on it. It won"t it is in a "great" violin, but it"ll probably develop a passable tone and that"s what counts. Besides, it"s no as if a the majority of money was spent on it.

I"d rather play a solid thick old Czech Strad copy than plenty of a modern violin through thinned the end plates.

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 in ~ 03:02 am · ns think I offered to have actually a Czech violin...it claimed it to be German yet it to be from the early on 20th c. When several German violins were in reality made in Bohemia. I preferred it an extremely much--a small unrefined, but a very nice well-off tone.

bill Pratt

October 5, 2006 in ~ 03:54 am · even the Mecklenburgers i met in Rostock said me the the Czechs (Bohemians) made the best and only true Pilsner.

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 in ~ 03:55 am · Czechs play the finest football (soccer) top top the continent too...but we"re discussing violins? ;)

Nicholas Tavani

October 5, 2006 in ~ 04:27 to be · *coughs violently*

*mutters something about Italy*

anisha netto

October 5, 2006 at 11:20 am · faciebat anno 1713...standing alone it says made in the year 1713 however given the made in czechoslovakia line it most probably or surely way that the violin is a copy that a 1713 strad...hope the helps..reminds me..the Gibson stradivari is indigenous 1713..isn"t it?

hope this helps..


sarah salmi

October 5, 2006 in ~ 11:29 am · I"m having it addressed up appropriate now and also it won"t price me anything due to the fact that the luthier constantly wants to carry out things for cost-free as a gift come me, maybe because he

has well-known me due to the fact that i to be a baby.

Kevin i prefer your style, you constantly have an excellent oppinions!

And around that age thing, it had actually a mark on the from a people music festival in 1977 for this reason it"s atleast 30 something.

... Ns don"t care around the value of a violin, the thing that matters is the it"s playable... However ofcourse i want to have actually a great violin in the future, however for now i"m happy the i very own two violins the didn"t expense me anything and an electric for 500 euro.

Christian Vachon

October 5, 2006 at 12:04 pm · D bright - one of my previous teachers once found a bow sticking out of a garbage have the right to in Toulouse. He asked if he can take it. The answer was yes. Turned out it was a quite Morizot! Things deserve to happen.


Kevin Huang

October 5, 2006 at 12:45 pm · Oh many thanks sarah salmi. I"m glad the you"re going to gain back that instrument. Items (or people) that are consigned to the garbage bin aren"t necessarily there is no of function.

I have actually a new term because that violins that one discovers for cheap in trash cans or unwanted bins that sound great once offered a proper restoration. Due to the fact that I typically don"t care if even Elmer Fudd (the fictitious cartoon character of Looney Tunes)made such instruments if castle sound an excellent and are obtained for short prices, I speak to them "Fuddarius" instruments. Sarah"s instrument is a "Elmerius Fuddarius, Faciebat Anno who Cares If the Works". This uses to bows as well.

Raphael Klayman

October 5, 2006 in ~ 12:50 pm · sarah - if a luthier is solving it for totally free then you have every little thing to gain, and also nothing come lose! also ask him as soon as he thinks this fiddle was made, as he"s the one through his hands and also eyes ~ above it. Ns was reasoning of a scenario whereby a really inexpensive instrument could have speak a soundpost crack, etc.

Someone once offered me 2 cheap student bows without any hair. I believed to have them rehaired for eventual inclusion in part violin sale. But my reliable (but no free!) friend, bow machine John Hsu, dissuaded me. They"re still advantageous as they are - for poking wayward students! (Just kidding!)

Maura Gerety

October 5, 2006 in ~ 02:00 afternoon · Hey Tavani, Euro 2008 isn"t that far off...you Italians just acquired lucky in the Cup. Game on. :)

On the other hand, if Hungary in reality manages to scrape with each other a qualification, my loyalties could end up violently divided....but this is irrelevent, sorry because that the off-topic guys. :)

sarah salmi

October 5, 2006 in ~ 02:18 afternoon · Ha Ha, i might just name the violin Elmer :)

Carolyn Shields

October 5, 2006 at 03:52 afternoon · On no finding great instruments in the trash: some time ago the Strad supplied by the LA Phil"s primary cellist turn up next to a garbage dumpster. And also I think a violin steal from a vehicle in California was found in one alley near a dumpster. Dumpsters might be the an initial place come look because that your next instrument, or perhaps it"s just a California thing.

Angelo Eftimeo

October 5, 2006 at 07:25 afternoon · ns think the may simply reflect a feasible idea that Californian"s might not appreciate value (sorry, simply the Arizonan in me speaking).

D Wright

October 5, 2006 in ~ 09:31 afternoon · ns stand corrected.

*sorts through ilya"s dumpster*

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